tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post7700718009054384885..comments2024-03-27T19:22:03.112-04:00Comments on Supergirl Comic Box Commentary: Review: Event Leviathan #2Anjhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10023193805914075078noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-9393753722196636572019-07-14T01:57:07.853-04:002019-07-14T01:57:07.853-04:00I'm loving your Leviathan posts Dr Anj!
Can...I'm loving your Leviathan posts Dr Anj!<br />Can't wait for your clue breakdown.<br />Keep up the fantastic work!SimBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12523466126692186444noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-51933912595894594752019-07-13T16:23:37.141-04:002019-07-13T16:23:37.141-04:00Thanks for all the great comments!
I doubt it’s J...Thanks for all the great comments!<br /><br />I doubt it’s J’onn, but some clues couple point there as a feint.<br /><br />And thanks for thinking the theory is too plausible!Anjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10023193805914075078noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-47933351431765760202019-07-13T14:08:53.276-04:002019-07-13T14:08:53.276-04:00Since Detective Chimp is notoriously absent from &...Since Detective Chimp is notoriously absent from 'Team Detective', my joke guess is that Leviathan is really Detective Chimp! "Leave me out will you! Now I'm evil and taking ALL THE BANANNAS!!"derekwchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08004659231350483043noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-73899295440796342942019-07-13T12:56:25.712-04:002019-07-13T12:56:25.712-04:00> The body of the Leviathan agent was scooped u...> The body of the Leviathan agent was scooped up by The Question so it could be examined for clues. Now it seems odd that Plastic Man gets that job, but he does.<br /><br />Plastic Man on the list of "World's Greatest Detectives" is itself odd to me. I also wouldn't put Ollie on that list, but at least it's defensible. I wish Ralph Dibney were one of the crew, but he was ruined as a character as far back as Sue's murder.<br /><br />In the current era, I would probably put Dick Grayson on that list, but using him is redundant with Batman. I might even include Lois. Happily, she is heavily involved in this story, just independently.<br /><br />> Both Plas and Leviathan came from broken worlds and both had to take a step back and reassess their goals.<br /><br />It's pretty meta, but could "broken worlds" be code for "deceased publisher"? That would fuel the Ted Kord theory. (Plastic Man was Quality.)Nutationhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06410413579935429580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-24864046452321498042019-07-13T05:10:49.149-04:002019-07-13T05:10:49.149-04:00Then "we are Leviathan" could mean a tea...Then "we are Leviathan" could mean a team-up of brain-damaged Ric; dead Roy; and Wally, who is taking a side-trip from day 2 of his future, while he is on his way back in his infinite loop from day 0 to day 4, and while his day 4 version sits in jail.<br /><br />Or maybe it's a crossover with DCeased.<br /><br />T.N.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-60737812242023151282019-07-13T04:15:58.656-04:002019-07-13T04:15:58.656-04:00So I was yucking it up about these issues with my ...So I was yucking it up about these issues with my podcast buddy tonight and telling him about your Ted theory.<br /><br />Then we got to thinking, while sad, that actually makes TOO much sense for Bendis. He then went with the most horrible thing he could think of (yet something that would seem superficially plausible).<br /><br />And I think it's horrible enough and superficial enough to be enacted. Ric Grayson is Leviathan. Not Dick, but Ric. He remembers enough of Spyral to want to crush all the other agencies. He remembers enough of Barbara to single her out. But he can still be twisted enough to carry out his current agenda, b/c he's Ric!derekwchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08004659231350483043noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-60815882969518428432019-07-13T02:57:54.712-04:002019-07-13T02:57:54.712-04:00The Tangent Universe Plastic Man was in the Tangen...The Tangent Universe Plastic Man was in the Tangent Universe Secret Six. Google Tangent Universe Secret Six.William Ashley Vaughannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-27708095142434105122019-07-12T17:57:19.956-04:002019-07-12T17:57:19.956-04:00It's not Martian Manhunter. He's firmly e...It's not Martian Manhunter. He's firmly ensconced in the current JL storyline and him being the head of Leviathan would be a HUGE pivot from how he's being portrayed there.DanielThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10595041630856975204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-39595975980751829612019-07-12T17:14:31.048-04:002019-07-12T17:14:31.048-04:00The most interesting potential clue for me is the ...The most interesting potential clue for me is the list of teams Plastic Man has been a member of according to Leviathan. But Elongated Man was in the Secret Six, not Plastic Man.<br /><br />Now part of me would be tempted to put this down to bad research or lack of editorial guidance, but Plastic Man himself wants Leviathan to repeat the last team mentioned, which seems to indicate the mistake is the character’s, not the writer’s.<br /><br />And seems to reinforce your idea that Leviathan is not from “this” Earth.Stan Etiennehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06492357385907913524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-63380084878501977212019-07-12T14:32:13.544-04:002019-07-12T14:32:13.544-04:00Great comments.
I'll have a separate post look...Great comments.<br />I'll have a separate post looking at the clues in a few days.<br /><br />About the Question, the original theory was built out of the feel of Watchmen in much of the early encounters. As such, I thought the Question (Rorscach) investigating a crime that ultimately leads to a teammate fit that bill.<br /><br />And once I settled on Ted, I knew it had to be one that at least experienced or saw Lord kill him. Since he saw one outcome of espionage groups gone wild (Checkmate), he'd want to stop them. All these other realities adds to that feel.<br /><br />Great mystery. Love the other ideas!Anjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10023193805914075078noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-41612076532219957762019-07-12T14:25:44.376-04:002019-07-12T14:25:44.376-04:00Leviathan's list of groups Plastic Man has joi...Leviathan's list of groups Plastic Man has joined bears closer consideration.<br />These teams are spread across the multiverse. Freedom Fighters (Earth X), All Star Squadron (Earth II/World War II), Secret Six (Tangent Universe). Leviathan is aware of every incarnation of Plastic Man since Jack Cole created him. We are looking for a suspect who has experience of the multiverse and was born into a broken world. William Ashley Vaughannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-71703781488946109542019-07-12T14:20:35.613-04:002019-07-12T14:20:35.613-04:00One thing I wonder about your theory: as a Charlto...One thing I wonder about your theory: as a Charlton character, is the Question in on Leviathan? Bendis has been hinting that the investigators themselves are suspects. In this case, Batman relays two second-hand experiences in his conversation with Jason. Who's to say that the Question (or Plas, for that matter) relayed their accounts honestly? I think Bendis and Maleev are giving us some of this information in a subjective way for a reason.Rob S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07331286524477806963noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-62010942982108151432019-07-12T14:00:42.436-04:002019-07-12T14:00:42.436-04:00The worst thing for Jason is that in the wake of l...The worst thing for Jason is that in the wake of losing Arsenal, Artemis, and Bizarro in his own book he has become more of a planner and considering the big picture more. That change in the MO around the time of the rise of Leviathan would be suspect. Damien's recent falling out with Jason in that awful Teen Titans book would color his perceptions. Then there's the fact that writers were always having Jason go full villain in between Winick writing him and he hasn't done that at all since He became Lobdell's baby. A writer could make a case for everyone except Alfred expecting him to snap again...<br /><br />I don't buy your Leviathan theory totally because that would mean Ted Kord is emulating Maxwell Lord, the man who killed him. Yes, Kord was a complete asshole in the last Blue Beetle series regarding what Jamie's wants were but newly insensitive control freak doesn't equal going all Maxwell Lord...<br /><br />My own theory is Superman centered because Bendis came up with Leviathan while constructing his Superman plans. He inherited a character who had just had his pre-Flashpoint status (plus Jon) reestablished as a bubble with Doctor Manhattan's warped timeline. Everyone touching Superman's life was affected by this but not those who weren't. What if someone in his sphere who had his life returned as regards to Superman returned but not his life with people who weren't decided enough was enough? For example, Oliver's son knew Clark. If he was restored but his father wasn't...Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08878013590983091300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-90337954399873173052019-07-12T12:09:58.340-04:002019-07-12T12:09:58.340-04:00Your speculations are quite reasonable! Maybe we&#...Your speculations are quite reasonable! Maybe we'll find out all of this eventually, but so much more is going to happen that we'll have new and intriguing things to speculate about.<br /><br />There's a theory circulating on Twitter that Leviathan is (Dead?) Roy Harper. I don't know whether to take that as a serious suggestion.<br /><br />T.N.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-4734675630032931152019-07-12T10:54:21.751-04:002019-07-12T10:54:21.751-04:00I get your interpretation of that Justice League q...I get your interpretation of that Justice League quote.<br /><br />For me, I wonder if Leviathan realized he may have tipped his hand by saying they knew each other from the Justice League. And then, to recover, decided to go into Plastic Man's resume instead.<br /><br />Of course, I am trying to validate a theory. So I may be looking for things that aren't there. Or believing purposeful feints by the writer.<br /><br />As for the Lane attack, I wonder if he thought the heart attack might end him naturally only to then have him survive.Anjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10023193805914075078noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-60283260000490987302019-07-12T10:30:56.054-04:002019-07-12T10:30:56.054-04:00At first I thought Leviathan said he knew Plastic ...At first I thought Leviathan said he knew Plastic Man from the Justice League. But then, turning the page and reading on, I decided he was simply rattling off the things he knew about Plastic Man, suggesting to Plastic Man that if he knows all of this about him, Plastic Man would know him too.<br /><br />Leviathan might well have been in the JL, but I don't think he was directly stating that. After all, surely he wasn't saying that he was in all those other teams too.<br /><br />Why is he so coy? Instead of saying "you know me," just say who you are! This is distracting.<br /><br />I'm wondering what the ARGUS agent had in mind for General Lane. Attack him? Leviathan already had the chance, and left Lane alone. Why attack him now?<br /><br />Bendis is writing recap pages for most of his books, but in a more creative way than the explicit, standardized Marvel page-one recaps, accompanied by actual artwork and lettering. I appreciate that he is doing this and wish DC did it more often.<br /><br />I don't feel cheated, because Bendis is always getting more than 20 pages. Young Justice was 24 (laugh-out-loud funny) pages this month. Very few other titles are getting more than 20 pages, and not regularly.<br /><br />Maleev is great. They are both in their wheelhouse.<br /><br />T.N.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-13419485985055687042019-07-12T09:33:40.770-04:002019-07-12T09:33:40.770-04:00This is why I need an editor.
Changed sentence to...This is why I need an editor.<br /><br />Changed sentence to say 'Leviathan says Plastic Man knows him, or who he was before he donned the Leviathan mask.'<br /><br />Yes, the swift change of allegiance does make me think a J'onn guess is more credible. Especially with the 'You know me ... from the Justice League.'<br /><br />I need an editor.Anjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10023193805914075078noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-58503777021285323552019-07-12T09:04:37.581-04:002019-07-12T09:04:37.581-04:00Another great review, thanks.
I may have to rerea...Another great review, thanks.<br /><br />I may have to reread, does Plas actually know who Leviathan is? I know Levi says he knows him, but did I miss it dawning on old Eel?<br /><br />The fact people get converted so quickly implies mind control at a massive level - J'onn? - but then, why reason with the likes of Babs and Plas? Hmm.<br /><br />Great work on the colouring analysis!<br /><br />Martin Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09574149543260175962noreply@blogger.com