tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post6325746889958067623..comments2024-03-27T19:22:03.112-04:00Comments on Supergirl Comic Box Commentary: Review: Action Comics #23.1 Cyborg SupermanAnjhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10023193805914075078noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-71450362305147469462013-09-10T22:12:09.320-04:002013-09-10T22:12:09.320-04:00This whole thing with establishing Cyborg Superman...This whole thing with establishing Cyborg Superman's origin as Zor-El is laughable. It's like they threw a dart at a poster of all the characters of the DC universe and just went with the person it hit.<br /><br />Given how much Zor-El's personality, appearance, motivations and background has to be changed in order to make the match "fit", they may have well said that Cyborg Superman is Wonder Woman from an alternate dimension (it wouldn't have taken any less convoluted an effort to bridge the resulting gap!).<br /><br />I read the issue expecting to see how Cyborg Superman got to I'noxia. How he rebelled against Brainiac and ultimately found something/someone that prompted him to want his memories back.<br /><br />Given what we got in the issue and how terrible DC's recent editorial policies have been, I fully expect the whole I'noxia angle of Cyborg Superman to be dropped instantly after Supergirl #24.<br /><br />I think DC will just want us to forget about the details of how he was introduced, perhaps even forget him briefly being reverted to Zor-El in order to re-create Supergirl, because the creative team who were plotting that tangent are now leaving and clone-Kara's world will be moving in a whole different direction now.<br /><br />I think issue #23 really was the death of the New 52 Kara and all the stories/plans her first writers had for her. The editors have taken back control and her disintegration was a metaphor for that - we'll now see the Krypton crossover, then clone-Kara will head back to Earth with a new attitude and focus.<br /><br />And saddest of all, hardly anyone will mourn the totally luckless and lost Kara of Issue #0 - #23 :( Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-18572506820314446802013-09-08T09:22:44.879-04:002013-09-08T09:22:44.879-04:00So let me see...Zor El is pompous incompetent &...So let me see...Zor El is pompous incompetent & fatally narrow minded...and Allura is now merely a impotent nag?<br />No wonder Supergirl is so messed up!! Both her parents are dingbats in this iteration so is it any wonder their daughter ends up being disintegrated in her own title?<br /><br />This is DC 52's idea of "The Hat Trick"....<br /><br />JFAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-38273512347093012452013-09-07T19:39:05.767-04:002013-09-07T19:39:05.767-04:00Re; this comic
I bought it today. Almost thought ...Re; this comic<br /><br />I bought it today. Almost thought it was sold out but they had some left, unfortunately no 2D covers so I got the 3D one (a bit pointless if you ask me). I agree with almost everything you say here Anj. The only point I differ with you on is the art - I think it's mediocre to poor, especially on the flashback scenes. There's no texture or life to Zor, Jor, Alura or Kara in those, it's all a bit flat. Like you, I have trouble drawing any parallel between CS as he is now and Zor-El as he was which makes the intercut narrative almost pointless. Again like you I don't see why we needed to be bashed over the head with his inferiority complex and especially don't see why Alura had to rub it in. I re-read Supergirl #0 yesterday, and aside from being much prettier book, it's difficult to reconcile that issue's Zor-El and Alura with the characters in this one, they don't really feel like the same people to me for the most part. <br /><br />Mr. Nelson, must do better, see me after class.<br /><br />Re: Jay's comment on Bedard's forum statements:<br />Halllelujah! Glad Siobhan's coming back. So what were Bedard's issues on the preboot SG like? Anj's sum-up post from before #34 came out pretty much skips over them due to the AA and Countdown tie-in bullshit. Did he understand that Kara?AndNowInStereohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021894582408478305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-22071858914176191872013-09-07T14:50:44.328-04:002013-09-07T14:50:44.328-04:00Bedard said personally on the BC forums that he wa...Bedard said personally on the BC forums that he wants to make Supergirl more likeable, and that he's going to use her friendship with Siobhan to that end. I liked hearing that.Jaynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-25402848100427970072013-09-07T09:57:47.368-04:002013-09-07T09:57:47.368-04:00Well, Anj, according to the latest news, SUPERGIRL...Well, Anj, according to the latest news, SUPERGIRL will be getting a new series writer for the holidays. Maybe Tony Bedard can get things back on track.Count Drunkulahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18130778855882160092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-16185692443261625122013-09-06T22:35:51.808-04:002013-09-06T22:35:51.808-04:00Thanks for all the comments.
Dave, you are right ...Thanks for all the comments.<br /><br />Dave, you are right on the money that the disconnect between Zor's mind and the Cyborg's does make me question why they made his change. <br /><br />And Jay, if it is temporary (and I hope it is) then it is even worse because why muddy Zor-El for a cheap thrill.<br /><br />Argo, I have wondered just what sort of character the powers that be think Supergirl is. Stuff like this makes me think they miss the point.<br /><br />And Wayne, glad to help. And glad you read Vibe!Anjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10023193805914075078noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-10358608471898382512013-09-06T15:15:09.838-04:002013-09-06T15:15:09.838-04:00Hi, Anj. I can't see in 3D as I have cerebral ...Hi, Anj. I can't see in 3D as I have cerebral palsy on my right side. So I only bought The Joker and Darkseid this week, even though I don't even buy Batman. I can sort of *see* where the 3D might appear, as with my 2D Desaad and Creeper. I did make a YouTube to show how everything in the background stays blurry, it is alwayss a double image, and you can't even tell if Batman has ears on his cowl. I just wanted readers to see this if they hadn't bought the books or plan to on eBay.<br /><br />Thank you for posting this review, as I enjoy your dissecting each issue of books I either do or do not read. I read Vibe thanks to you. And now, like it or not, I know more about the Cyborg guy.<br /><br />Thanks for the timely reviews.Wayne Allen Salleehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17199261942617339556noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-28384029472459461902013-09-06T15:03:11.455-04:002013-09-06T15:03:11.455-04:00I share your antipathy towards him Anj but with f...I share your antipathy towards him Anj but with further development this revised Cyborg <i>could</i> work, when you get down to it he's pretty much interchangeable with the Hank Henshaw version, both flip between ranting endlessly and feeling sorry for themselves and both lost their loved ones, for which they hate themselves.<br />Apart from the oddness of his patronage by Brainiac the problem comes with Zor-el being completely unrecognisable in this totally altered form and not having any memory of his past life. If nothing of Zor-el remains what then is the point in the character? Henshaw was interesting as we learned that underneath his theatrics and bluster all he wanted was to die, which was proving impossible to accomplish, Zor-el though exists only in this cannibalised state and could be said to be nothing more than an animated cadaver at best who only <i>thinks</i> he's Zor-el...<br /><br />A very strange revamp for what was one of the successes of Death of Superman. :(Dave Mullennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-25479345592331722102013-09-06T13:43:18.320-04:002013-09-06T13:43:18.320-04:00Another reason why I stop reading the new 52 versi...Another reason why I stop reading the new 52 version of Supergirl.<br /><br />The stories really suck and are a betrayal to the series.<br /><br />All my hopes for a new Supergirl movie wer dashed when I read this post.<br /><br />If they made a new supergirl movie.it will be based off the new 52 version and that's something I don't want to seeArgocubnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-21411718395008446202013-09-06T13:21:22.334-04:002013-09-06T13:21:22.334-04:00My feelings pretty much remain the same on this. ...My feelings pretty much remain the same on this. As a temporary thing, this could be and thus far is a fun ride. But I just don't see it working as a long-term thing, as a permanent addition the the Super rogue's gallery. It feels finite to me; Zor making peace with his daughter and his brother's memory, and dying in an approrpriately heroic manner. Then you have a mass of bodiless consciousness formerly known as Hank Henshaw take over the tech.Jaynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-80835411901383594312013-09-06T11:43:39.698-04:002013-09-06T11:43:39.698-04:00I think the cyborg was made to look like Jor-El on...I think the cyborg was made to look like Jor-El only because the original cyborg looked like Superman and the author had to make an excuse to change Zor-El's hair color when transformed to cyborg, just that...Supertorresmonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-25056101495908028372013-09-06T10:16:12.376-04:002013-09-06T10:16:12.376-04:00Thanks for early comments.
I suppose that the ent...Thanks for early comments.<br /><br />I suppose that the entire concept just didnt work for me. So I might try to reread with a more open mind at some point.<br /><br />And I understand the Earth point Eki, but it seemed like it was harsh just to build up this hate-filled personality of Zor-El. He could have said 'they arent as advanced as we are'. Instead he called them subliterate. There is a difference there.<br /><br />It is that stuff that made me be less sympathetic to his plight.Anjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10023193805914075078noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-39333360858251249712013-09-06T09:58:24.903-04:002013-09-06T09:58:24.903-04:00I see some spelling errors in my previous post. So...I see some spelling errors in my previous post. Sorry about those, I should have checked.<br /><br />--EkiAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-52939264583234483172013-09-06T09:09:02.023-04:002013-09-06T09:09:02.023-04:00I think Zor Els opinion of Earth and humans is und...I think Zor Els opinion of Earth and humans is understandable. Even the ship Jor El built called humans apes with nuclear weapons locked in tribal conflicts. I can understand why he wouldn't want to send Kara to Earth. Also Jor El didn't take into account the unwillingness of Kryptonians to build spaceships so Zors plan seems to be the better one, Jor El should have conceded and helped and then maybe it might have worked.<br /><br />I agree with Martin that Cyborg Superman and Zor El don't seem to share motivations. I don't even consider them to be the same person, they just share biologic material. As for Braniacs motivations, we don't really know much about this Braniac to guess.<br /><br />We'll see how this plays out in Supergirl.<br /><br />--EkiAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-3906237980021815082013-09-06T08:27:00.936-04:002013-09-06T08:27:00.936-04:00Like you, I hate the concept, but for what it was ...Like you, I hate the concept, but for what it was - a villain spotlight in the mean universe of the New 52 - I thought it was well done. You're right, though, some of the rivalry was a bit forced, I don't believe Allura would be so cruel to her husband, even while stressed. <br /><br />I didn't try to relate the Cyborg Superman's acts back to Zor-El, as it seemed that after the operation, nothing of him was present - the perfection obsession seems to be all-Brainiac. But the lack of a bridge between this story and Supergirl #22, in which he wants his memories back, is a definite hole. Martin Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09574149543260175962noreply@blogger.com