tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post565945453663066874..comments2024-03-29T10:34:59.159-04:00Comments on Supergirl Comic Box Commentary: My Future With Futures End Has EndedAnjhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10023193805914075078noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-46648170345320756042014-05-18T19:57:08.363-04:002014-05-18T19:57:08.363-04:00Thanks so much for the continued discussion. I am ...Thanks so much for the continued discussion. I am enjoying all these stories of how impassioned DC's fans are. We want something more special than this.<br /><br />And I don't mind coherent and intelligent rants here at all. After all, I recognize that my post was a rant itself.Anjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10023193805914075078noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-83186853131470380172014-05-18T15:51:46.108-04:002014-05-18T15:51:46.108-04:00This review and the comments here reflect my opini...This review and the comments here reflect my opinions on what's been going on in DC's Earth-G (for Grimdark) so completely that I'm amazed. I hadn't realized that others felt as strongly as I do about this.<br /><br />I tried to like what they're doing, I really did. Followed 8 or 9 titles for two full years after the reboot before giving up. I'd wondered if I've gotten too old for comics, but then I discovered titles like Captain Midnight, where the heroes are still actually heroic and not sociopathic. Right now, the only DC I'm reading is Batman '66 and that's depressing because I grew up watching the goldanged Superfriends on Saturday mornings and reading the annual JLA/JSA crossovers and All-Star Squadron and Infinity, Inc and I just flat <b>know</b> that comics can be better than they are now.<br /><br />I just don't see any hope on the horizon for the DC characters that I grew up with and still love and admire. I wish I did.<br /><br />I agree also with the concerns about Batman being overused. In my personal opinion, he's become DC's Wolverine and I'm as sick of him as I am Logan. Well, more that I'm sick of his current incarnation. I remember when he was called "The World's Greatest Detective." Now he's the World's Most Paranoid Vigilante. It's like the writers have become obsessed with that one single aspect of his personality and Flanderized him all to Hell and back such that there's nothing else left of him.<br /><br />Ah, but I'm ranting now and I really shouldn't do that. It's not polite. So I'll stop here.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08049247821037670352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-24666876106741665932014-05-18T12:26:33.108-04:002014-05-18T12:26:33.108-04:00Well to be honest I won't be buying this serie...Well to be honest I won't be buying this series anyway. I've had a general distaste for event books ever since Brightest Day started, though I'd be lying if I said I hadn't bought a couple of tie-in Flashpoint issues out of curiosity, and I HAVE been buying the issue of Justice League Joe Prado has worked on (just those ones) even though they tie into Forever Evil because Joe's a friend and I like to support him.<br /><br />At least I can say the only Villains Month issue I bought was Dial E.<br /><br />That said, I'll most likely only glimpse at the issues in case there's one future tidbit that catches my eye, as my nature tends to go towards, but such depressing brutality on this scale? Yeah, I don't know.<br /><br />My only general interest in this was Green Arrow's death. Because my feelings towards Oliver Queen have blossomed into a thriving and beautiful garden of seething, unforgiving hatred, and I have been enjoying the fact that he's dead in this book so, very, much.<br /><br />Still not buying though.Jude Delucahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07192366186748612752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-977408986188255782014-05-17T18:11:29.132-04:002014-05-17T18:11:29.132-04:00If you are looking for a good comic published byDC...If you are looking for a good comic published byDC, try Adventures of Superman. No new 52 stuff and nothing dark. Just good Superman stories that you can share with your kids.Erichnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-79525968651176278552014-05-17T17:02:06.465-04:002014-05-17T17:02:06.465-04:00This comic hits the nail on the head (though the c...This comic hits the nail on the head (though the creepy character should be an editor, rather than a writer). http://www.shortpacked.com/index.php?id=2077&comments=yes#disqus_threadAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-14155495657256761102014-05-17T11:00:24.134-04:002014-05-17T11:00:24.134-04:00Hey Anj, (I'll be posting this comment in the ...Hey Anj, (I'll be posting this comment in the most recent post too) about Ultimate Spider-Man, you could always start with the first trade "With Great Power..." but if Peter Parker has never grabbed you I would totally recommend to give the Miles Morales era a shot, it has the things you like, a new young hero trying to live up to the mantle of the one before him, people just trying to do the right thing, and it's funny and upbeat. <br />The first trade of the Miles era is "Ultimate Comics Spider-Man vol.1: Who Is Miles Morales?" Hopefully you'll find a copy and read it, and I really hope you'll like it, let me know how that went! :)LJ-90https://www.blogger.com/profile/09786120657682897989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-29396770767288851802014-05-14T12:21:15.444-04:002014-05-14T12:21:15.444-04:00Pretty much agree. I have no problems with a dysto...Pretty much agree. I have no problems with a dystopian future scenario. They can be fun. I just think it's a a well that DC has mined too much lately. <br /><br />I am also sick of seeing Batman always surviving these things and being the one to have to save the day. It's as much a cliche now as having a dystopian future. Why couldn't Wonder Woman have been the one to survive and send Terry back in time? I get that Batman is their best selling property right now but they need to let their other characters get a chance to shine in these big events. Batman was a huge part of Flashpoint, was pretty much the only one not affected by Pandora's Box during Trinity War, and is the only member of the Justice League to escape in Forever Evil and is leading the charge against the Crime Syndicate. I'm a Batman fan but maybe it's time to let another character have a prominent role in these universe wide cross-overs.<br />-CJAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-8570945077200241352014-05-14T06:08:41.040-04:002014-05-14T06:08:41.040-04:00there is a difference between shocking your audien...there is a difference between shocking your audience, and appalling your audience...DC is no good at shocking us (since this is what the tenth dystopia future the Marvel or DC continuity must race to prevent?) but they are GREAT at appalling & alienating core fan groups. It works great like a sugar high over the short term....but it can't be good for business over time.<br /><br />JFAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-10261324814795542612014-05-13T10:25:12.663-04:002014-05-13T10:25:12.663-04:00Anj,
I think you really nailed this on the head....Anj, <br /><br />I think you really nailed this on the head. Part of what is so frustrating (apart from being a Swamp Thing fan and seeing this exact story play out in RotWorld) is that all of the fans know that no matter what story line DC presents in these futuristic hellscapes, the iconic nature of the characters precludes any major revisions, a la the dystopian future we see in Future's End, or Flashpoint, or Final Crisis, or...<br /><br />Wonder Woman is never going to be a brutal dictator at war with Aquaman, or a servant of the anti-life equation, or a vampire, or anything else besides Wonder Woman.<br /><br />Likewise, Superman is never going to *be* Doomsday, or a Brother-Eyed Cyborg, etc. So, to where is this leading us? Are we going to have a richer, deeper character, as we are being promised in Red Daughter of Krypton? <br /><br />We can all only hope.Tomnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-23533079513093186012014-05-13T07:27:10.264-04:002014-05-13T07:27:10.264-04:00Thanks for continued discussion!
Jay, I am glad y...Thanks for continued discussion!<br /><br />Jay, I am glad you like the book and have a theory! It just seems to me that so much of what we saw here was depictions of violence for their own sake. The Brother Eye takeover could have been shown as a mechanical cocoon, or injection - rather than the visceral dismemberment, etc. Please keep me informed on what is going on here.<br /><br />I don't mind the deconstruction of super-heroes in Jupiters Legacy because I am not as deeply invested in those characters (even if they are built on DC archetypes). But I can only imagine how Black Canary fans feel about Dinah's head being on Frankenstein. Or how Wonder Woman fans feel about her (again) being a weapon of the villain. Remember her ape-face stint in Final Crisis?? I don't need to see deconstruction in DC. I need construction of these characters in this new universe.<br /><br />As for Ultimate Spiderman ... is there a trade I can look for? I haven't read a Spiderman book in decades. The character/powers never grabbed me. But I am willing to learn!<br /><br />Thanks again everyone!Anjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10023193805914075078noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-53189151336737834492014-05-13T00:13:48.398-04:002014-05-13T00:13:48.398-04:00I read the free issue. It was okay, but it's n...I read the free issue. It was okay, but it's not something that I see myself buying anytime soon. I'm just wondering if there are Trek fans that think that this is really reminiscent of the Borg. I definitely saw it. They even had their own catchphrase.arw1985https://www.blogger.com/profile/02413390156820607302noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-31069134175285719642014-05-12T21:24:38.848-04:002014-05-12T21:24:38.848-04:00Been saying this for a very long time, c'mon A...Been saying this for a very long time, c'mon Anj, give Ultimate Spider-Man a shot, it's a really cool and amazing little book, swear you'll love it.<br /><br />Anyway, yep, I don't read DC, unless it's Smallville, I just can't take what they have done to my heroes, (I feel the same way with the movies, everything just feels the same).<br /><br />Jesus, I really hope they wise up and start giving good stories soon.LJ-90https://www.blogger.com/profile/09786120657682897989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-53439293722808423622014-05-12T19:35:49.851-04:002014-05-12T19:35:49.851-04:00Its definitely used more than its share, its impos...Its definitely used more than its share, its impossible to argue that. No matter what medium, no matter what context, the Dark Future is pretty go-to indeed.Jaynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-61403027461015260322014-05-12T19:31:40.319-04:002014-05-12T19:31:40.319-04:00And you're entitled to like it, Jay. And I get...And you're entitled to like it, Jay. And I get your point about dystopic futures that need to be nipped in the bud. I'd just feel it was more warranted if the New52 hadn't already been born from such a dystopia less than 3 years ago. Or if a similar storyline hadn't just wrapped, you know, the one called Rotworld. Or if I couldn't already read this kind of dystopic take on DC heroes in Injustice, Earth2 or Justice League 3000. Or even if Marvel hadn't JUST done something exactly like it.<br /><br />That is one tired trope.Siskoidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08266365376486695812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-83022292479315269502014-05-12T19:21:37.984-04:002014-05-12T19:21:37.984-04:00Guess I'll be the voice of dissent on this one...Guess I'll be the voice of dissent on this one; thus far I remain intrigued. Don't care that its dark because its a common apocalyptic future trope and I overall enjoy those. Especially in a case like this in which the consequences will not be exactly what we see because this future will not stay intact. <br /><br />But I guess I'm less put off by the idea in general because I don't subscribe to the overall fact that the entire new DCU is dark. I've believed for some time that its a far more optimistic place than the pre-Flashpoint verse had turned into, and I stand by that. I'm getting my laughs and lightheartedness along with the drama, personally. So I don't feel as bombarded by a sense of bleakness that others feel.<br /><br />Plus I wanna see if my theory that Masked Superman is the Eradicator and he's protecting Superman and Wonder Woman's child comes to fruition.Jaynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-88825709159211022292014-05-12T17:55:44.510-04:002014-05-12T17:55:44.510-04:00I didn't find it to be all that bad, and I wil...I didn't find it to be all that bad, and I will at least give it five issues until I decide for good to keep with it or not.<br /><br />Jupiter's Legacy I am kind of surprised you like. It seems pretty dark and violent to me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-74461030626915849082014-05-12T17:55:06.464-04:002014-05-12T17:55:06.464-04:00Thanks for all the comments.
On rereading it does...Thanks for all the comments.<br /><br />On rereading it does seem that the family were all probably aliens. Even with that I think there are other ways to achieve this scene besides seeing 'people' shot up.<br /><br />The fact that DC doesn't realize that a tentpole event like this should be accessible to a broad audience just reinforces the fact that they have a myopic view of fandom.Anjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10023193805914075078noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-75987779859673395622014-05-12T14:28:07.333-04:002014-05-12T14:28:07.333-04:00Great post, Anj! Everything is on point and well ...Great post, Anj! Everything is on point and well articulated.<br /><br />I read the FCBD issue... and NOTHING about it surprised me in the least. At the height of all the violence and soullessness and bastardized characters I thought, "Yeah, this seems like exactly where the New 52 world is heading."Count Drunkulahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18130778855882160092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-34769529946274100712014-05-12T12:22:03.849-04:002014-05-12T12:22:03.849-04:00I enjoyed the zero issue, thinking it was a dark a...I enjoyed the zero issue, thinking it was a dark aberration to kick things off. Reading the continuation, I despaired of the treatment of Ronnie, the whole Grifter business (I took it the whole family were meant to be Daemonites, not just the girl - if your interpretation is correct, that's unforgiveable) and the death of Ollie. Only Alfred provided a bit of relief.<br /><br />Please don't let this be the tone for the entire series, though basic craft implies that this is the case.Martin Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09574149543260175962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-70367090179683952202014-05-12T11:59:02.316-04:002014-05-12T11:59:02.316-04:00Thomas has the right idea. This is designed to ap...Thomas has the right idea. This is designed to appeal to a particular audience, and as mentioned the number of books DC produces for that segment of the readership has grown to dominate their product. I'm taking a pass on all that, I'm not the audience it's written for. JLU looks to be a good read, as is just about anything Soule sets his hand to. I'll stick with those.<br /><br />Anj, you listed a number of books that are good, quality product. I agree, each of those is well worth looking at, and I'm already reading most of them. There's good stuff out there, as a long time DC reader I wish more of it was DC.iopynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-64683520601271569612014-05-12T11:56:07.599-04:002014-05-12T11:56:07.599-04:00Right on the money Anj. It's a shame DC can...Right on the money Anj. It's a shame DC can't see that they need more light hearted and fun books to balance out the gritty tone the New 52 has been thus fur. I'm not for weeklies anyway but the quality and pacing of the story is not for my tastes. This goes in my ignore pile for DC.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-77985128820754519072014-05-12T11:53:06.838-04:002014-05-12T11:53:06.838-04:00The 21st century is troubled. This problem demonst...The 21st century is troubled. This problem demonstrably exists in primetime cophospitalandia and on hbOMG naked-in-one-scene-dead-in-the-next!<br /><br />Heroes are criminals, criminals heroes, and everyone is just plain old bad.<br /><br />And rather than being entranced by the artistry of their excuses, I'm actually just sick of bad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-15732953158159509752014-05-12T08:38:21.108-04:002014-05-12T08:38:21.108-04:00Nothing against anyone who does like it, or the pe...Nothing against anyone who does like it, or the people who write and draw it who are all good elsewhere, but this really isn't for me.<br /><br />And I really kinda want it to FAIL. I'd like its sales to be crushed under the weight of Marvel's Original Sin and DC's much better weekly Batman Eternal. I'd like it to bomb so hard that the top brass at DC realise they can't keep doing this all the time. I don't know if that'll happen, so to be honest I'm just going to ignore it.<br /><br />At least Justice League United debuted at #11 in April and Harley Quinn is holding very well. There's got to be some hope that seeing more fun titles do well will encourage DC to balance the slate somewhat.AndNowInStereohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021894582408478305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-12171636948519212382014-05-12T08:34:36.829-04:002014-05-12T08:34:36.829-04:00Everyone's been doing such a good job explaini...Everyone's been doing such a good job explaining why FE's just awful awful stuff, I won't be doing my own piece. It would just be redundant.<br /><br />You did a good job of it, Anj.Siskoidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08266365376486695812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-7829934923866775022014-05-12T08:19:20.280-04:002014-05-12T08:19:20.280-04:00Future's End looks horrible. I will not be bu...Future's End looks horrible. I will not be buying it.Sarangahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03545162612237984546noreply@blogger.com