tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post4899536658063343867..comments2024-03-27T19:22:03.112-04:00Comments on Supergirl Comic Box Commentary: Never-Ending BattleAnd Source PostAnjhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10023193805914075078noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-2404584307005171102011-09-17T08:16:32.956-04:002011-09-17T08:16:32.956-04:00We are only a bit away from finally reading the is...We are only a bit away from finally reading the issue and I thank everyone for this great discussion.<br /><br />I agree that it will all come down to the degrees of intensity of Supergirl's personality. I hope it is not too extreme such that she is unlikeable.<br /><br />We'll see!Anjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10023193805914075078noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-2494764880941826182011-09-16T17:59:55.984-04:002011-09-16T17:59:55.984-04:00See, here's the thing about your comment, Gear...See, here's the thing about your comment, Gear:<br /><br /><i>"So there it is. Why can't a Supergirl be as admirable at her core as a Superman? Why does she have to be a problem child - again?"</i><br /><br />Well, I guess it depends on how one feels about Nature/Nurture. But Kal grew up on Earth, had parents who were human, went to high school, etc.<br /><br />OTOH, Kara leaves a civilization that is far, far more advanced than Earth's. Everyone she ever knew is dead. Her entire past is something that to which she can never go back.<br /><br />And now, where is she? Earth. Hell, when I read the news, *I* am embarrassed to be human. I can only imagine what someone like Kara, who lived her entire life on Krypton, must feel like.<br /><br />This isn't to say that she has to be some sort of raging beeyotch with nothing but contempt for humanity. But I can easily see how her dealing with the "problems" of humanity would get extremely frustrating after a while.Hal Jordanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10807592971029318702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-53970958662490039192011-09-16T09:56:55.652-04:002011-09-16T09:56:55.652-04:00What was the creepy plea? I get Page Not Found.What was the creepy plea? I get Page Not Found.Martin Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09574149543260175962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-70739884768469836082011-09-14T14:28:40.957-04:002011-09-14T14:28:40.957-04:00Thanks for that link Bob.
I had forgotten how ter...Thanks for that link Bob.<br /><br />I had forgotten how terrible that plea was. Creepy how history is repeating itself here.Anjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10023193805914075078noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-68873691965128622262011-09-14T13:34:52.155-04:002011-09-14T13:34:52.155-04:00Thanks for sharing that link Benwahbob!
Looks lik...Thanks for sharing that link Benwahbob! <br />Looks like Deja Vu for Supergirl again. :(<br /><br />GeneGenenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-28800030009408592072011-09-14T01:56:02.563-04:002011-09-14T01:56:02.563-04:00Because one of the people guiding the new DCU is E...Because one of the people guiding the new DCU is Eddie "Why can't we get women to read Supergirl?" Berganza. Remember this?http://www.filmfodder.com/comics/archives/2007/01/berganzas_bizarre_plea_for_sup.shtmlBenwahbobnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-15362069711768952011-09-13T17:27:20.997-04:002011-09-13T17:27:20.997-04:00So there it is. Why can't a Supergirl be as ad...<i>So there it is. Why can't a Supergirl be as admirable at her core as a Superman? Why does she have to be a problem child - again? Why can't we have just one female heroine that we can point little girls and teenagers to as an example, much like we do with Superman?</i><br /><br />Great post.<br /><br />As you say, can't Supergirl be a hero. Why must all girl heroes be painted with the same brush. <br /><br />This has been a great thread and great converstion. I really want to thank everyone for taking the time to post.Anjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10023193805914075078noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-53846509140985972272011-09-13T14:47:58.750-04:002011-09-13T14:47:58.750-04:00Gear, thank you for a wonderful post. We need to g...Gear, thank you for a wonderful post. We need to get that to Dan DiDio ... Maybe he liked his sister!Martin Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09574149543260175962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-48799923342900712862011-09-13T13:39:28.224-04:002011-09-13T13:39:28.224-04:00They have...if you¨re David Rockefeller, own "...They have...if you¨re David Rockefeller, own "DC Comix", and your only Agenda is to COVERTLY INDOCTRINATE all readers into a Masonic-Kazahar Cainite "Cult of Isis=Wonder Woman=Maria Magdalena" Satanic covert bull"##$%&&, since COIE in 1985.-<br />Incidentally, both "COIE" & "Death of SM" in 1992 were Satanic, Illuminati, Masonic covert ceremonies (like 9-11) to bring in their Father in Heaven (guess who) "Age of Aquarius".<br />DAVIDAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-47005489739255617222011-09-13T12:56:09.463-04:002011-09-13T12:56:09.463-04:00This response thread has gone on a long time, and ...This response thread has gone on a long time, and reading all these responses has crystallized something for me. So I'll make one more comment, then shut up.<br /><br /><i>And yes, anyone can be mean. But anyone who has spent any time with teenage girls knows how nasty and troubling they can be. It's hormonal. Just like teenaged boys.</i><br /><br />You see, this is my problem with the new DCnU, and in some ways DC in general for the last few years in a nutshell. Teenage boys can be a handful, and so can teenage girls. But most of them aren't, and many of them are good, quality, giving members of their communities. They work on food drives for the hungry, and help out at retirement homes, and belong to charitable organizations. Sure, some troll the malls, or get into fights, or become criminals. But not the majority, not even a significant minority. If they did our social problems would be much worse than they are.<br /><br />But in the new DC, the DCnU, teenage boys gain powers and become heroes. Teenage girls gain powers and they become angry, fight with everyone, are unpredictable "hell on wheels" (Kara) or criminals (Wonder girl). In the real world, sexual assaults happen during war - by men against women. In the world of DC, sexual assaults happen - by women against men, the Amazons during Flashpoint (I find it telling that the only time DC deals with the issue of sexual crimes during war it's women who are the perps and men the victims.) In the real world most juvenile delinquency and youth crime is by teenage boys, by a huge margin. In DC, it's the girls that are the difficult ones that need to be set straight by the male hero.<br /><br />I don't need all of the young super women in DC to be totally admirable. I'd be happy to have just one. We can't have Mary Marvel, we can't have Stephanie Brown, we can't have Cassie Sandsmark, and it looks like we can't have Kara Zor-El. We can't have any females that are good to the core, start out that way, and are admirable as a part of their being instead of having to be mentored into it by a loving but strict Patriarch.<br /><br />So there it is. Why can't a Supergirl be as admirable at her core as a Superman? Why does she have to be a problem child - again? Why can't we have just one female heroine that we can point little girls and teenagers to as an example, much like we do with Superman?<br /><br />Please DC? Just one? Do all the females have to be weird bad-girl fantasies like Mary Marvel in leather?Gearnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-91338956311960893842011-09-13T07:13:59.984-04:002011-09-13T07:13:59.984-04:00Kara must look at this world as if it is full of l...<i>Kara must look at this world as if it is full of less-than-primates. Her ability to be decent and heroic is an actual CHALLENGE!</i><br /><br />I agree that the main thing to do now is read the book and see how it all plays out.<br /><br />I also think that it will be a challenge for the writers to make Supergirl likeable ... readable ... if she truly looks at the people of Earth as chimps.<br /><br />I still say that throughout her career, Kara's best quality is hope. She always tries to do what's right. I hope that still will be there with 'this' Supergirl.Anjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10023193805914075078noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-79656351177360566162011-09-12T18:59:50.864-04:002011-09-12T18:59:50.864-04:00Fair enough! :)Fair enough! :)Hal Jordanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10807592971029318702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-9752819985489863862011-09-12T18:36:14.839-04:002011-09-12T18:36:14.839-04:00Well, I'll be trying the first few issues. At ...Well, I'll be trying the first few issues. At the very least, we'll all have some interesting chats!Martin Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09574149543260175962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-61264320488791220982011-09-12T18:34:46.925-04:002011-09-12T18:34:46.925-04:00"But they're not. The El family chose to ..."But they're not. The El family chose to send two beloved children here - why would they send Kara and Kal to live in the equivalent of a cat and dog home? Yes, the science is less advanced, and Superman and Supergirl gain powers, but the people are basically the same."<br /><br />I disagree. This world is a nightmare, murders happen every second, rape is a national pastime in many places (see Demo. Rep. of Congo). There are people with billions of dollars, and people who literally starve to death. Starve. To. Death.<br /><br />Kara must look at this world as if it is full of less-than-primates. Her ability to be decent and heroic is an actual CHALLENGE!<br /><br />And yes, anyone can be mean. But anyone who has spent any time with teenage girls knows how nasty and troubling they can be. It's hormonal. Just like teenaged boys.<br /><br />I just think that this is a great way to go, if they do in fact go that way.Hal Jordanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10807592971029318702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-12914671990847788422011-09-12T18:15:09.573-04:002011-09-12T18:15:09.573-04:00Hal wrote: '...the people of one's adoptiv...Hal wrote: '...the people of one's adoptive planet are the equivalent of, say, cats or dogs to us'.<br /><br />But they're not. The El family chose to send two beloved children here - why would they send Kara and Kal to live in the equivalent of a cat and dog home? Yes, the science is less advanced, and Superman and Supergirl gain powers, but the people are basically the same. If new Kara does show up and consider us so far beneath her, she's not someone I - and most of the people who comment at this blog - wish to read about. <br /><br />And yes, teenage girls can be horrible. So can grown men. And maiden aunts. Doesn't mean I want to read about them. I'll go search out some heroes.Martin Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09574149543260175962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-26384743867858433892011-09-12T18:08:47.372-04:002011-09-12T18:08:47.372-04:00Martin Gray said:
"That's not who these ...Martin Gray said:<br /><br />"That's not who these characters are, Hal. Such stories could be compelling, but I don't want to see them at the expense of Kara and Diana. There's a good chance DC will take this approach with Starfire."<br /><br />Anj said:<br /><br />"This defiant angry disaffected girl sounds unlikeable .. unreadable."<br /><br />See, I don't see how being a teenage girl from a vastly superior society makes her somehow angry and/or disaffected.<br /><br />Teen girls are often ... not nice. They have all sorts of issues they are dealing with. Add to that not only the ability to crush planets, but also the fact that the people of one's adoptive planet are the equivalent of, say, cats or dogs to us, and I see a character who would naturally feel superior but also feel troubled reconciling everything.Hal Jordanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10807592971029318702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-9544338581946875922011-09-12T16:54:29.414-04:002011-09-12T16:54:29.414-04:00We won't be following the new Supergirl storie...<i>We won't be following the new Supergirl stories in our home, as we are looking for more all-ages books like Cosmic Adventures in the 8th Grade.<br /><br />I'm not sure if this would be of interest to you or not Anj, but we just kicked off Supergirl Week at our blog The Brave and the Old!</i><br /><br />Yeah, this new Supergirl can't be shared with the supergirls at home.<br /><br />Thanks for the info about your site! Will check it out!Anjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10023193805914075078noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-1020355427239271352011-09-12T16:53:30.760-04:002011-09-12T16:53:30.760-04:00I agree that a long post from the editor carries m...I agree that a long post from the editor carries more weight than a solicit or a throw away line from a con panel. It is worrisome.<br /><br />I think Supergirl can be badass when she needs to be (she certainly had plenty of kick butt scenes in the Gates period). <br /><br />But the bottom line is she needs to be heroic.<br /><br />This defiant angry disaffected girl sounds unlikeable .. unreadable.Anjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10023193805914075078noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-71916604547851855602011-09-12T16:32:35.721-04:002011-09-12T16:32:35.721-04:00That's not who these characters are, Hal. Such...That's not who these characters are, Hal. Such stories could be compelling, but I don't want to see them at the expense of Kara and Diana. There's a good chance DC will take this approach with Starfire.Martin Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09574149543260175962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-19068993667308880172011-09-12T16:07:05.256-04:002011-09-12T16:07:05.256-04:00This is what I've been waiting for when it com...This is what I've been waiting for when it comes to Kara. I don't want sweet. I don't want the nice girl from down the street.<br /><br />I want that badass alien who is trying to figure out how to deal with this new world and what she knows, how to reconcile the two.<br /><br />I'm hoping deeply that Kara's depiction is similar, in certain ways, to Wonder Woman's. Both are essentially aliens to this world. Both come from advanced societies. Both have great power, but need to deal with how to utilize that power.Hal Jordanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10807592971029318702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-3098143211534825002011-09-12T13:38:36.505-04:002011-09-12T13:38:36.505-04:00We won't be following the new Supergirl storie...We won't be following the new Supergirl stories in our home, as we are looking for more all-ages books like Cosmic Adventures in the 8th Grade.<br /><br />I'm not sure if this would be of interest to you or not Anj, but we just kicked off Supergirl Week at our blog The Brave and the Old!Outsider73https://www.blogger.com/profile/12271316821858441799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-80714394813689831072011-09-12T11:04:52.704-04:002011-09-12T11:04:52.704-04:00I was aghast when I read that Source post. When th...I was aghast when I read that Source post. When the initial solicitations spoke of a Supergirl you didn't want to 'piss off' I plumped for that old optimism, told myself it was simply a case of the blurb person not having read the comic yet. But this is the actual editor, one of the guys meany to push a certain editorial line.<br /><br />I'm far less optimistic now.<br /><br />Why does DC equate 'teenage' with 'moody'? I don't want Kara to court unpopularity with potential new fans because the editor's sister was a moody mare.<br /><br />Oh well, maybe she'll show her knickers, then at least Larry will he happy.Martin Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09574149543260175962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-66315451212006720422011-09-11T18:25:32.321-04:002011-09-11T18:25:32.321-04:00Yeah what happened to Mary Marvel is very much a c...Yeah what happened to Mary Marvel is very much a cautionary tale within the DCU and for Supergirl fandom in particular. She went uber-bad, got depowered as a punishment and no one has heard a peep out of her since.<br />THAT was an attempt to update MM make her relevant and take her out of Captain Marvel's shadow as well...<br />Gosh DC sure has a handle on those classic heroines eh??<br /><br />JFAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-10846200678746214352011-09-11T17:08:00.477-04:002011-09-11T17:08:00.477-04:00I didn´t pay too much attention to that post in th...<i>I didn´t pay too much attention to that post in the Source, I ´d rather read the book and then make my own conclusions.</i><br /><br />That's a great point too.<br /><br />I am trying to go in with an open mind, hoping the book reads wonderfully.Anjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10023193805914075078noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-62219565095684344522011-09-11T15:41:48.678-04:002011-09-11T15:41:48.678-04:00*we´ll be getting a very different, and at the sam...*we´ll be getting a very different, and at the same time, interesting Supergirl who still has a very gentle heart despite the circunstances <br /><br />-sorry for the double post-Ayhenoreply@blogger.com