tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post2689506052791328245..comments2024-03-29T10:34:59.159-04:00Comments on Supergirl Comic Box Commentary: Review: Superman/Supergirl:Maelstrom #1Anjhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10023193805914075078noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-56949252338154071652008-11-09T14:37:00.000-05:002008-11-09T14:37:00.000-05:00My reaction shows that I've spent too much time on...My reaction shows that I've spent too much time on a certain website -- when I read that last panel with Superman I shouted, "Superdickery!"<BR/><BR/>Since it's practically an Elseworlds, I'm going to try to appreciate the story on its own merits. As in, what if Supergirl hadn't been trained by Amazons and wasn't very powerful yet?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-9988704225439889292008-11-08T13:16:00.000-05:002008-11-08T13:16:00.000-05:00I should have read your review first before buying...I should have read your review first before buying the issue. Sure, maybe this beaten-up and tearful Kara is just a ploy and in the end of the series she may emerge as a heroic and strong (and interesting and inspiring) Kara. But I'm like, "dude, let me know when that happens." <BR/><BR/>mmmAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-25996871853965162992008-11-08T09:59:00.000-05:002008-11-08T09:59:00.000-05:00Thanks for the great posts about the issue.- the b...Thanks for the great posts about the issue.<BR/><BR/><I>- the book is out of continuity regarding the current state of the character.</I><BR/><BR/>Over on Geoff Johns boards, Palmiotti says out right that the story is not in continuity.<BR/><BR/><I>- it's no important if Supergirl (or any other) gets pummeled once and a while.</I><BR/><BR/>I think all Supergirl fans understand that she is going to be beaten at some point. I did not react this way when Puckett had Reactron defeat her.<BR/><BR/>I think it is more that she should not have been outclassed by a commoner from Apokolips like this. I think that was my bigger problem. Especially given the near lack of effort it took Superman to dispatch her.<BR/><BR/><I>- blame writer/editor for not looking up the state of the character to make the story fit.</I><BR/><BR/>My guess is this was written and drawn a while ago and so seems out of touch with the current state. Thus the 'not in continuity' statement.<BR/><BR/>I will get the miniseries and continue to review. Thanks again for your great comments!Anjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10023193805914075078noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-68105630380667071532008-11-08T09:29:00.000-05:002008-11-08T09:29:00.000-05:00ok, I just read my copy, the fight is not as bad a...ok, I just read my copy, the fight is not as bad as I though it was from the comments here and the review. So hold my opinion that I posted before:<BR/><BR/>- the book is out of continuity regarding the current state of the character.<BR/>- it's no important if Supergirl (or any other) gets pummeled once and a while.<BR/>- blame writer/editor for not looking up the state of the character to make the story fit.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01261901670458867682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-3189701547087395092008-11-08T02:47:00.001-05:002008-11-08T02:47:00.001-05:00anj, sorry this is off topic but any chance you'll...<I>anj, sorry this is off topic but any chance you'll be reviewing "Sallville" season 8's recently aired "Bloodline" return of Supergirl centric ep?</I><BR/><BR/>Review later this morning!Anjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10023193805914075078noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-5179940552120644242008-11-08T02:47:00.000-05:002008-11-08T02:47:00.000-05:00As for the beating goes, I think Supergirl and any...As for the beating goes, I think <I>Supergirl and any other similar character has to take her/his defeats wherever they're close or one-sided like this one otherwise Supergirl (and any other) would be invincible and therefore it wouldn't be a superheroine adventure, it would be more like some 'soap opera' because the villains would be as common as taking out the trash.</I><BR/><BR/>I don't think anyone wants her to easily dispatch foes. Where would the conflict be?<BR/><BR/>I think that it was that she was so outclassed by someone who should not have been able to do that.<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the great post.Anjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10023193805914075078noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-92012067540246915042008-11-08T02:31:00.000-05:002008-11-08T02:31:00.000-05:00anj, sorry this is off topic but any chance you'll...anj, sorry this is off topic but any chance you'll be reviewing "<I>Sallville</I>" season 8's recently aired "Bloodline" return of Supergirl centric ep? *Crosses fingers and prays that he does* It truly kicked much booty ah! :D In fact, it's actually THE highest rating ep since 07 itself for the show in particular in accordance to TV Guide!<BR/><BR/>Oh, and here's a recently conducted interview with Laura Vandervoort talking about her return to the show and even her finally wanting to spill about that one time rumored Supergirl spin-off to boot!<BR/><BR/>http://www.tvguide.com/News/Smallville-preview-Kara-35371.aspxAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-37990715572736370872008-11-07T18:54:00.000-05:002008-11-07T18:54:00.000-05:00i didn't mind this issue, too much. certainly, it ...<I>i didn't mind this issue, too much. certainly, it doesn't seem to be the supergirl we're going to be getting in the main series, but its better than some we've read...</I><BR/><BR/>Thanks for the post. <BR/><BR/>You are right in that this issue was better than some of the one's in her main title.<BR/><BR/>It just felt like a step backwards given everything else happening with the character.Anjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10023193805914075078noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-84453216613039270652008-11-07T18:05:00.000-05:002008-11-07T18:05:00.000-05:00I have yet to get my copy but I read part of the r...I have yet to get my copy but I read part of the review so I'm going to give a general comment on the main issue of this review and reactions.<BR/><BR/>Regarding the beating Supergirl takes and her reaction, actually that is not the real problem. <BR/><BR/>Based on what I saw here, the mini-series is out of place regarding the development of the character in the main series and the fact that Supergirl was suppose to have been trained by the amazon so you'll expect her to know how to fight. This is another one of those cases where a new editor/writer ignores the current state of the character to expose his idea for his story.<BR/><BR/>As for the beating goes, I think Supergirl and any other similar character has to take her/his defeats wherever they're close or one-sided like this one otherwise Supergirl (and any other) would be invincible and therefore it wouldn't be a superheroine adventure, it would be more like some 'soap opera' because the villains would be as common as taking out the trash.<BR/><BR/>Therefore, Supergirl taking a beating on a one-sided battle is not the problem. Her reaction is not the problem, she's 16, wants to do a good job, already made mistakes in the past and now comes this woman that easily beats her up. <BR/><BR/>The main problem is that, that's not the Supergirl you see in her series in the current issue been printed at the same time as this one, and this leads to .. Superman disposing of Maelstrom so easily, now, this is not because he's Superman or Superman been better than Supergirl, it's wrong because both of them are suppose to be pretty much even in power so you could go, ok Superman is suppose to be more experienced in the use of his kriptonian powers and fighting foes that match or surpass his power level , etc.. but Kara was trained by the amazon, and frankly unless the amazon are very bad teachers, she should be able to handle herself better.<BR/><BR/>Not to mention that his is one training that Superman didn't get, in fact, I think he was someone who probably never got into a fist fight until he started as Superman, so if you put them both at the same level of experience, who knows how to fight ? Kara.<BR/><BR/>---> blame the editor and writer for not trying to fit Supergirl as she is at this moment in her book.<BR/><BR/>I have my own 'super gal' and hope to get it to print again, I didn't made her invincible and I don't want her to be invincible, she's probably half as powerful as Supergirl, or at least like the Supergirl from JLU (which is less powerful than the comic book version) but if I get her to get a beating like that it would be for her development as a character and the stories been told. <BR/><BR/>I wonder if I'll change anything I said here once I get my copy.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01261901670458867682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-65253297605620292242008-11-07T17:10:00.000-05:002008-11-07T17:10:00.000-05:00i didn't mind this issue, too much. certainly, it ...i didn't mind this issue, too much. certainly, it doesn't seem to be the supergirl we're going to be getting in the main series, but its better than some we've read...<BR/>did enjoy the art, and though i like jamal igle's supergirl, i do wish his colourist would use the blonde that phil noto has managed to score with his kara. very nice, and a touch more exotic than the usual yellow-blonde a lot of the heroines have...Heath Edwardshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00334282325970098007noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-41044340070923316202008-11-07T12:10:00.000-05:002008-11-07T12:10:00.000-05:00Nikki said...I miss Legion Kara, you know the comp...Nikki said...<BR/><BR/><I>I miss Legion Kara, you know the competant one who stops and earthquake by whistling!</I><BR/><BR/>HELL YA! Although, we can certainly do without her believing her time being spent with the Waid/Kitson Legion being nothing more then a dream though. BLUGH! Hell, the Legion were that desperate to make her face reality that they had to "visit"/ship her off to New Krypton itself just for her to finally realize she really had found herself in the 31st Century.<BR/><BR/>Back on topic though, I too thought that this was a real let down of a mini special, especially after having read the all new <I>Terra</I> title and seeing the way they had wrote her coming off as come starting her Superhero career to that of this particular Supergirl's portrayed own! And it pains me to say that because Terra truly is being written as a female competent Super family member to that of our beloved Supergirl! And don't even get me started on Superman thinking he could just bully his cousin in to doing what he wanted while she's at her lowest. Um, last time I checked Superman it's actually SUPERGIRL who's the elder cousin here and NOT you pal! Show some respect for the poor girl who changed your poopy diapers will ya! YEESH!<BR/><BR/>Alas, it seems like we now have this "Maelstrom" (or as I like to call her "Super tran", I mean come on she looks like Superman with balloons and a frickin' wig!) as well as Power Boy as yet another being of her rouges that now helm from Apokolips as such. (But I think i'd prefer Power Boy over the earlier mentioned any day right now given the choice)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-78345026386506001762008-11-06T23:13:00.000-05:002008-11-06T23:13:00.000-05:00On the other hand they are teasing the notion of a...<I>On the other hand they are teasing the notion of a roll reversal down the line in the mini so that might be interesting to read....role reversal being the core of some of the best silver age stories IMHO.</I><BR/><BR/>It looks as though the training takes place on a red sun planet and at some point, Kara is the protector.<BR/><BR/>While I can guess that Kara will 'learn' in this mini, the set-up this issue seemed extreme.<BR/><BR/>Still, no place to go but up.Anjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10023193805914075078noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-18360402350243148422008-11-06T23:10:00.000-05:002008-11-06T23:10:00.000-05:00But then to show two characters who are (supposed ...<I>But then to show two characters who are (supposed to be) equal in strength being shown to have such a disparity, along lines that are blatantly gendered, and then have Superman *force* Supergirl to do what he wants 'for her own good' - that just finishes it for me.</I><BR/><BR/>Thanks for the post.<BR/><BR/>I can only hope that the series and relationships improve over time. But I can see your point.Anjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10023193805914075078noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-67121850306059890532008-11-06T23:09:00.000-05:002008-11-06T23:09:00.000-05:00oracle_x said... Absolutely agree with you Anj. Af...<I> oracle_x said... <BR/>Absolutely agree with you Anj. After the glorious panel in Action Comics #869 when Supergirl diverts the missile, and the complete reinvigoration of the character in Supergirl #34, I'm just not that happy to return to a less than average Kara. This mini-series is just being released at the wrong time. </I><BR/><BR/>Thanks for the post.<BR/><BR/>You are so right. Supergirl #34 seems like a lifetime ago. We have already had to suffer through the B&B issues.<BR/><BR/>Luckily, it's just 2 weeks til #35.Anjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10023193805914075078noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-29402848892015729082008-11-06T22:10:00.000-05:002008-11-06T22:10:00.000-05:00the story was done for superman confidential over ...the story was done for superman confidential over a year and a half ago actually from what i read then released as a seperate mini series after noto was done with the art...so a lot has been covered since they first wrote it. <BR/><BR/>that said, there is a role reversal and more coming.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-3902859614971559262008-11-06T19:14:00.000-05:002008-11-06T19:14:00.000-05:00Yeah the beat down troubles me to no end....I like...Yeah the beat down troubles me to no end....I like the idea of Superman training SG since I thought that her being initially trained and housed on Paradise Island was nothing but DC's perpetual "Diana-mongering" at work.<BR/>But it isn't really necessary for Supergirl to FAIL in order to illustrate the more positive aspects of her relationship with Kal El OR for her to receive some training and guidance from him.<BR/>On the other hand they are teasing the notion of a roll reversal down the line in the mini so that might be interesting to read....role reversal being the core of some of the best silver age stories IMHO.<BR/><BR/>I also suspect that the blizzard of Supergirl stories we are seeing lately are a sort of covert retcon designed to shunt aside some of the blatant contradictions indulged by Joe Kelly et al.<BR/>Just a thought, could be wrong.<BR/><BR/>John FeerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-74434948975432818852008-11-06T12:30:00.000-05:002008-11-06T12:30:00.000-05:00I miss Legion Kara, you know the competant one who...I miss Legion Kara, you know the competant one who stops and earthquake by whistling!Nikkihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07232828708855932756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-25801988553473502662008-11-06T09:02:00.000-05:002008-11-06T09:02:00.000-05:00Wow...that sounds awful. I was cautious about this...Wow...that sounds awful. I was cautious about this series to begin with because the cliched premise of 'woman who tries (and of course fails) to achieve power by marrying a powerful man' turned me off. But then to show two characters who are (supposed to be) equal in strength being shown to have such a disparity, along lines that are blatantly gendered, and then have Superman *force* Supergirl to do what he wants 'for her own good' - that just finishes it for me. It wasn't "training" that gave Superman superior punching power - that was the writer. This isn't just about *my favorite* character being humiliated. This is a sexist story I don't want to read, period.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-65084375641479569882008-11-06T08:36:00.000-05:002008-11-06T08:36:00.000-05:00Absolutely agree with you Anj. After the glorious ...Absolutely agree with you Anj. After the glorious panel in Action Comics #869 when Supergirl diverts the missile, and the complete reinvigoration of the character in Supergirl #34, I'm just not that happy to return to a less than average Kara. This mini-series is just being released at the wrong time. It's Kara so I will grab the whole run, but given all the mis-steps, I'd rather be focusing on the future rather than be dwelling on the past.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com