tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post2029979976836577155..comments2024-03-27T19:22:03.112-04:00Comments on Supergirl Comic Box Commentary: Review: Supergirl Woman Of Tomorrow #8Anjhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10023193805914075078noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-48508339216550425082023-03-14T15:54:13.409-04:002023-03-14T15:54:13.409-04:00How low does the standard for gourmet cooking have...How low does the standard for gourmet cooking have to drop before a pot noodle is considered gourmet?Aaronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10807259990722204859noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-13907325533038390122023-03-13T07:40:56.913-04:002023-03-13T07:40:56.913-04:00I just finished this series and I really liked it....I just finished this series and I really liked it. 70% for the art, 30% for the story. I don't see the point in all the judging of whether or not it's the correct moral compass for Supergirl's behavior. She let a victim smack a guy in the head after she ran him thru the justice system. Big deal. She did the right thing first and then the villain got a little abuse. acting like either super character never does these types of questionable acts is ridiculous. Sometimes they get angry, they seek revenge, they have emotions. Like regular people do. And don't forget superman DID kill, in the pocket universe. I side w Zack Snyder, to act like super beings fighting super battles wouldn't result in deaths is preposterous. Some intentional some accidental.<br />This story was different than a typical comic story, and that's why I like it.Robert Ingraonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-71769788601047928602022-02-19T21:53:40.347-05:002022-02-19T21:53:40.347-05:00Seeing yours and Martin Gray's coverage of thi...Seeing yours and Martin Gray's coverage of this mini-series was exhausting. Not because either of you was laborious in your writing! But it just felt so draining to see the joy sucked out of both of you, because Tom King just feels like a writer that just cannot fathom putting joy into his writing. I'm sure Supergirl will recover, because thanks to DC Super Hero Girls, and the CW series, Kara is not going anywhere, and the demand will be there for further comic adventures of hers. But, if I were an editor at DC... maybe after this exercise, I'd recommend that writers that seemingly want to just break toys time and time again might want to avoid optimistic characters.Metal Mikeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08415189755282675379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-62409563987200528662022-02-19T21:20:40.835-05:002022-02-19T21:20:40.835-05:00No worries.
People can cut and paste!
Thanks for t...No worries.<br />People can cut and paste!<br />Thanks for the link.Anjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10023193805914075078noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-28791756974508903432022-02-19T21:14:45.087-05:002022-02-19T21:14:45.087-05:00Sorry, this comment section will not allow me to p...Sorry, this comment section will not allow me to post a link as a link, just as text. If anyone has a solution to this problem, I will be very grateful. Thanks.William Ashley Vaughannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-79173817461181754262022-02-19T21:12:28.672-05:002022-02-19T21:12:28.672-05:00https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=266953146...https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=2669531469217423923&postID=2029979976836577155&page=1&token=1645322930544&isPopup=true&bpli=1#:~:text=https%3A//www.facebook.com/groups/446602625422801/search/%3Fq%3DAvoid%2520this%2520comic%2520bookWilliam Ashley Vaughannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-38833651874954979172022-02-19T21:08:50.544-05:002022-02-19T21:08:50.544-05:00Below is a review I wrote about Supergirl: Woman o...Below is a review I wrote about Supergirl: Woman of Tomorrow #1 back when it first came out and posted on the Tony Isabella Message Board. I quit reading this series after the first issue, but from Anj's reviews, it looks as though most of what I wrote applies to the series as a whole. I join most of the posters on this comment thread in wanting one thing from DC-NO MORE DARK SUPERGIRL. Hopefully the link will work. https://www.facebook.com/groups/446602625422801/search/?q=Avoid%20this%20comic%20book<br /><br />William Ashley Vaughannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-31019106926360145162022-02-19T17:19:15.005-05:002022-02-19T17:19:15.005-05:00I asked my comic guy to set this series in for me ...I asked my comic guy to set this series in for me and I didn't cancel it after the first issue because I did ask for it and it was only 8 issues.<br /><br />The writing and the entire story was a mess. I can only think that the writer doesn't actually like Supergirl. It must be awful to write a character for which you have no respect or interest.<br /><br />Maybe this series will become reference material for <a href="https://lby3.com/wir/women.html" rel="nofollow">Women In Refrigerators</a>.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-58272190434134393262022-02-19T14:06:15.856-05:002022-02-19T14:06:15.856-05:00Hello from a french fan of supergirl,
I think i w...Hello from a french fan of supergirl,<br /><br />I think i was even ruder than that supergirl when reading the last page. I don't know if the message of the book was the destination or the journey but in both cases it didn't wok for me. <br /><br />I think i prefer watching DC super heros girls, i'm going to review the whole serie sto forget thi soulless story.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-37456845133693418222022-02-19T11:16:53.211-05:002022-02-19T11:16:53.211-05:00Sometimes fan entitlement is a justifiable respons...Sometimes fan entitlement is a justifiable response to amok unaccountable creatives. :). After All at the End of the Day, Tom King moves on to ruin or revise to death someone else’s favorite (I am desperate for him to go over to Marvel and turn Captain Marvel into a Man with a gold lightning bolt on his chest...the twitter praise will be hilarious) we are still here with Supergirl fighting the good fight. Given the disgraceful way DC treats the character the feeling I have, is hardly one of entitlement.<br />I’d read and appreciate certain counter arguments more, but alas the attack they host of the party and that’s just bad manners in my neck of the woods.<br />At least Marshal Cogburn shot Tom Chaney dead between the eyes in an armed showdown, Supergirl waited four hundred years & then stood there like a passive aggressive zombie for a little old lady to beat to death an unarmed man sans trial. If thats change, give me stagnation.<br /><br />JF<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-17554307830799649992022-02-19T08:58:02.507-05:002022-02-19T08:58:02.507-05:00“DC Comics finally allows the character of Supergi...“DC Comics finally allows the character of Supergirl to move forward into being a "Woman Of Tomorrow"<br /><br />There were very occasional moments of hope, help and compassion in this series but overall, Kara was drunk, asleep, foul-mouthed, cynical, defeated, useless, a liar and a believer in Biblical justice. <br /><br />If that’s the Woman of Tomorrow, give me Yesterday’s Girl, any time. Martin Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09574149543260175962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-20068950758793865992022-02-19T08:49:43.602-05:002022-02-19T08:49:43.602-05:00Thanks for comments. Always glad to hear some diff...Thanks for comments. Always glad to hear some differing opinions when stately politely.<br /><br />As I have said many places, if you loved this series I am happy for you. <br /><br />But no praise will change my mind about this. And no derision or mocking thrown at me will change my mind either.<br /><br /><br /><br />Anjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10023193805914075078noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-75157674155820180142022-02-18T23:24:48.049-05:002022-02-18T23:24:48.049-05:00Clinging to worn out nostalgia is so predictable. ...Clinging to worn out nostalgia is so predictable. <br /><br />"I have also been somewhat stunned by the river of praise this book is getting from some critics. Many say it is the best Supergirl story they have ever read. Back when Crisis on Infinite Earths #7 came out, I heard the same thing from many comic readers. When I asked them what other Supergirl stories they have read, the most common answer was 'none'."<br /><br />That's because before COIE, Supergirl was always a spin-off character in search of a real direction. That's a major reason why her solo series until that point never worked out and sold poorly....and the overwhelming factor in how she became cannon fodder for Wolfman and Perez' major event series which rewrote the entire DCU up to that point. The 1984 SG movie flop merely exacerbated the situation, and confirmed for the publisher that there was little to nothing left to do with the character. But Crisis essentially changed that status for the character, over time. <br /><br />It's a totally different situation now, what with a new DCEU iteration of SG about to appear in cineplexes this year (within The Flash). <br /><br />"And it is a shame that this isn't a great Supergirl book."<br /><br />Actually, it's a phenomenal Supergirl book; because after all the half-hearted reboots and short-term restarts over the past couple of decades, DC Comics finally allows the character of Supergirl to move forward into being a "Woman Of Tomorrow", and not as a lingering symbol of remembrance of Krypton's past. She's finally free of all that useless nostalgic detritus that has been holding her back. Her revised costume and shortened-locks hairstyle (reminiscent of Al Plastino's rendering in Action 252) are symbolic of 'starting over' with a new beginning of life. That's what hope always is, because it's NOT a tangible thing. <br /><br />"Supergirl is going to kill Krem. This is going to happen ...<br /><br />Until Ruthye saves the day."<br /><br />Not any different than when Buzz stopped Supergirl from killing Linda's demon-possessed boyfriend Richard during the Peter David run (issue 9). She eventually stood down then, too. <br /><br />You keep distracting yourself with throwaway semantics instead of following what has really mattered throughout this story. It's not about tangible and material things. <br /><br />"This book has taken away the optimism and inspiration of Supergirl and replaced it with tawdry Tom King trauma. Fans of Supergirl don't want to read that (a fact proven by the dwindling sales every time they have 'darkened' her)."<br /><br />You didn't 'prove' a thing. <br /><br />You just can't help yourself with those ridiculous ad hominem attacks on the author, just because he didn't give you enough fan service in place of an actual story that resonates beyond your self-imposed limitations for the character. This is where keeping a fanboy archive merely defeats your sense of purpose, because it's become transformed into fan entitlement now. It makes your overall 'points' no different than those of the online Zack Snyder troll zombies. <br /><br />"In essence, this is a dead end for Kara."<br /><br />Actually, Supergirl NEVER goes by the name of "Kara" anywhere in this series. That's because in this story, Supergirl has appeared as a DISTILLATION of the character throughout her entire published history. <br /><br />"I think Bendis and then Kennedy Thomas understand what she should be."<br /><br />ROTFL....no, they merely provide yet more recycled revisionism in their current story-telling. Even Bendis'v Naomi is a essentially a Supergirl knock-off (which The CW TV series name-dropped in its second episode, giving it one up on Superman And Lois). <br /><br />BTW, Krem's ultimate fate seems pretty open-ended this issue, as SG merely steps back from her (sort of) guardian angel role for Ruthye to make decisions for herself towards the end. And since Comet is a magical beast and NOT Kryptonian... <br /><br />...hope springs eternal. <br /><br />KET <br /><br />KEThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13797904604074311480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-84363120353024889772022-02-18T20:11:56.402-05:002022-02-18T20:11:56.402-05:00Y’know just remember it took eight long interminab...Y’know just remember it took eight long interminable issues for Supergirl to be turned into a complete moral bankrupt. Someone condones both a barbaric stoning and murder via inaction. Basically Ruthye that Malevolent Mary Sue, has reduced Supergirl to a zombie, the dream of Lex Luthor, all enacted by an obtuse and maladorous Little Girl/Old Woman.<br />BTW IF you are gonna throw Comet under the bus, get it right willya? Comet’s powers were magic based and thus he should’ve tossed off the Brigandage weapons like they were nothing and if he couldn’t then Supergirl should’ve been dead for sure.<br />This was like watching a loved one expire in The Hospital, all your concern ends in numbness, you just want the suffering to end peacefully.<br />So at least the squalor & stupidity have ended thats a good thing. I doubt we’ll see much of Supergirl going forward for a while, Superman himself is about to croak, but other than the fact that she clearly survives him, there don’t seem to be any plans for Supergirl.<br />Maybe it’s better that way, the critical reaction to all this mishaugas has been unmercifully positive, even if sales lagged, other creatives might be tempt to push her down the road to darkness and despair.<br /><br />JFAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-37823191830414421552022-02-18T14:21:05.143-05:002022-02-18T14:21:05.143-05:00Great review, and I agree with almost everything.
...Great review, and I agree with almost everything.<br /><br />The "twist" was probably always in King's plan. He always has some kind of twist.<br /><br />The fictitious ending (and opening) of the memoir - that Supergirl murdered Krem - was requested by Supergirl, and she extracted a promise from Ruthye to write that fiction and to stand by it. That does cast Supergirl in a heroic light, that she insisted on taking the heat off Ruthye and have it directed to herself should the Brigands seek revenge.<br /><br />But to justify that murder sensibly, it then makes sense that the memoir would have had to show how someone of Supergirl's calibre and moral fiber might have finally reached a breaking point where she'd commit murder, and maybe that's why Ruthye discounts the whole thing as fictitious fiddle-faddle.<br /><br />Maybe it is MOSTLY fiction. Maybe Comet isn't even dead. After all, a death like that would have been emotionally devastating.<br /><br />If this is in continuity, then what of Supergirl's current reputation? Is she known throughout the galaxies as a murderer? Are the Brigands going to be after her for 300 years? Has DC thought that through? But I don't want to give them any ideas.<br /><br />The only tweets I'm aware of from King are his "I'm not ready" tweet, and his retweets of positive reviews or reader comments, which themselves got universally positive replies. (I wouldn't expect him to retweet criticism. Besides, tweet anything negative to a writer and they've all made it clear that they will instantly block you. If you get blocked on Instagram, you can no longer see their posts. I guess these are very sensitive creatives.) If he's spoken more about it since the series ended, I'd like to read what he has had to say.<br /><br />T.N.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-37963671327321023332022-02-18T12:18:27.985-05:002022-02-18T12:18:27.985-05:00To anon - I'd say the Steve Orlando run, parti...To anon - I'd say the Steve Orlando run, particularly the end of the run when the title seemed to come into focus, was the last time I felt like it was the idea of Supergirl I love. That was 2018.<br /><br />As always, in bits and pieces Andreyko and King show her. Anjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10023193805914075078noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-2964116076675842062022-02-18T11:53:13.819-05:002022-02-18T11:53:13.819-05:00I don’t think Krem died at the end, but that’s me ...I don’t think Krem died at the end, but that’s me being optimistic. There was arm movement after the beating, but his arm did then fall limp… so who knows? Even if he did live, this still doesn’t salvage the book for me. Supergirl still stood by whilst an old and broken man was bludgeoned. <br />I’m glad this book is over. <br /><br />As for the praise this book is getting from some critics, I would love to know what book they’ve been reading, because for the life of me I can’t believe I’ve been reading the same one. <br />It could’ve been worse though I guess… Kara could’ve had a side job as a veterinarian specialising in putting animals to sleep. Maybe DC is saving that for Supergirl’s next adventure?<br /><br />Great review, Anj. And thank you for the platform. :)<br />Aaronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10807259990722204859noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-46499013319375283482022-02-18T11:49:35.990-05:002022-02-18T11:49:35.990-05:00Purely out of curiosity when is the last time you&...Purely out of curiosity when is the last time you've read "your Supergirl"? For me it feels like over a decade.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-53508123775443934872022-02-18T11:36:25.765-05:002022-02-18T11:36:25.765-05:00Thanks for early comments.
I wondered about the o...Thanks for early comments.<br /><br />I wondered about the older looking Krem. But King has played loose with continuity this whole series so I figured in his Zone, you age.<br /><br />As for the last page, even if Krem isn't dead, he was begging for forgiveness having repented and reformed, and he is still clubbed in the head with a cane. And Supergirl just watches. That isn't right either.Anjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10023193805914075078noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-4636867466852065762022-02-18T10:45:40.448-05:002022-02-18T10:45:40.448-05:00Yes that last page is a shocker but it looks to me...Yes that last page is a shocker but it looks to me that Krem isn't even unconscious. If you look closely in the middle two panels he raises his arm and puts his hand to his head. Also I think you're wrong about how King wanted this to end. He did something very similar in Superman: Up in the Sky where he made us think that Superman had killed, only to show that he hadn't killed at the end.Gerry Beritelahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07549801126990342236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-33364568738743933532022-02-18T09:53:43.056-05:002022-02-18T09:53:43.056-05:00I wondered that too, I just decided that as what’s...I wondered that too, I just decided that as what’s her name was lying, Krem might have been older than we had been led to believe. Martin Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09574149543260175962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-32049948270946606512022-02-18T09:52:04.670-05:002022-02-18T09:52:04.670-05:00If Krem was in the Zone all this time, why did he ... If Krem was in the Zone all this time, why did he age?<br /> In the 60's, I think probably an Action issue, Kal has to<br />free a reformed criminal from the Zone, but he has to go to Kandor.<br />When he does, he looks up friends, but they are all much older.<br />This implies that he did not age (I think it was actually stated<br />as so by a woman). So why did Krem age? And is a cycle an Earth <br />year or what? If so, 300 years? Unlikely...<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2669531469217423923.post-53261927825546972702022-02-18T08:34:03.530-05:002022-02-18T08:34:03.530-05:00Great review. It’s so sad that the best a massive ...Great review. It’s so sad that the best a massive Supergirl fan can say is ‘At least it is over’. <br /><br />I think we will see her in the upcoming JL Death story, not just on the cover, as we’ll have to see Lois and Kara’s reaction (does this happen pre-Action Comics)? And remember, Phillip KJ said he had plans for Kara. <br /><br />Apparently S:WoT was going to have a hardback collection, but now is getting only a trade. If true, that may say something. I saw people asking King on Twitter, he didn’t reply.Martin Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09574149543260175962noreply@blogger.com